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Old 04-29-2006, 01:39 PM
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Is there anyone with an Autistic child? I have 2 in the spectrum-a 12 year old son with Aspergers and a 7 year old high functioning son. Just wanted to lend support to any out there with special needs.
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Old 05-01-2006, 04:26 AM
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I have a 7-year-old son with autism.
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Old 05-02-2006, 07:47 AM
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Default How are you doing?

How are you doing? How long has your son been diagnosed and if you don't mind me asking, how severe? Our Josh is 7, diagnosed high functioning and is totally mainstreamed in school. The only time that he goes out of his regular classroom is if he is poopy (yes still working on that) or if he needs extra help on classwork because he is having a bad day. He does get obsessed with things especially with the computer which he is an expert on. There are games on his computer at school that he can quote the entire directions for how to run the game. The other kids in class will ask him what to do if they get stuck! Do you have any major problems with your son? As mentioned, we are still working on the bowel training for the potty. We can't get him regular, so getting him trained has been a real struggle. Hope to hear from you soon, katie

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Old 05-20-2006, 11:11 PM
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I have two on the spectrum as well. Nicholas is HFA, fourth grade fully mainstreamed and the Treasurer of the Student Council. He is the male version of Temple Grandin and wants to work with animals. I hope to get him into the Los Angeles Zoo High school magnet.
Matthew turns 10 in another month, in an autism class in third grade. I held both my kids back in first grade. Matt is in feeding therapy, floor time and we are getting parent behavior support in the home.
Nick gets social skills and each summer they go to an autism daycamp.
I have a site where I write more about my kids and their therapies, book reviews, toy reviews and more.
http://autismspectrumdisorders.bellaonline.com
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Old 06-06-2006, 06:51 PM
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I do also. I have a five year old w/ no formal dx, but the school system suspects Asperger's. Right now they say pdd-nos. We are doing biomedical interventions for him. Just began chelation. Our main struggle is his fragile emotions and temper. Lots of ODD issues I just do not know how to handle! Any advice???
So far just hoping it will go away with treatments...
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Old 06-06-2006, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
I do also. I have a five year old w/ no formal dx, but the school system suspects Asperger's. Right now they say pdd-nos. We are doing biomedical interventions for him. Just began chelation. Our main struggle is his fragile emotions and temper. Lots of ODD issues I just do not know how to handle! Any advice???
So far just hoping it will go away with treatments...
Wow, does that sound familiar!! I have a nine-year-old with pdd-nos, verging on Aspergers, and a friend of mine has two with identical behavior patterns.

Hunter's temper was so bad we gave that persona a whole different name. He loves his name, so when he acted out we told him that Hunter didn't act like that at all and it must be Zelbert (the angry alter-ego) who was throwing the tantrum. Before we did that, he was absolutely uncontrollable; the first time we did it (his stepfather's idea), he was so shocked that after getting even madder because we took his name away, he came back out in five minutes -- at which point we hugged him and told him how much we loved and liked Hunter, and that we loved Zelbert but it was very hard to like him. It's taken years, but he can now control his temper.

The fragile emotions, I think, were largely due to a lack of social interaction. We moved to a neighborhood a year ago with a park literally in the backyard and lots of kids right around his age; he's now much happier and more self-confident, and has in fact developed into a leader of the kids his age and younger because he comes up with all the cool games.

We still sometimes have the potty-training issues, though that is getting better as time passes.

We didn't do any medical intervention, though we did change diets to include fewer cookies and more fruit. He takes vitamins too, but nothing fancy. I watch what he eats to make sure he gets enough protein and healthy food; he tends to skip meat, which anecdotally seems like a common thing among autistic kids.

Structure is good; we have a very good school system here that has made a huge difference. He hasn't had an outburst in school for about a year, and though he is a long way from fully mainstreamed, he is getting closer and closer to it. Where two years ago he tested off-the-charts for math and patterns and at zero for verbal skills, he's now testing high in everything. The school psychologist took an intense interest in him after observing some of his behaviors. She thinks (and I'm not inclined to disagree) that he is at least a savant with things like codes and memory. He does some wild things in that area that just blow my mind!

Compare that to his school in Florida, where he was so uncontrollable he was almost feral at times.

What has helped me is the gradual recognition -- and then some informal testing to prove to myself -- that I had exactly the same problems he has when I was a child, sans the temper outbursts. It made it easier to catch what he was reacting to when he crawled under his desk, for instance; they called me in to school one day because he was getting under the desk and growling. I knew immediately that he was overwhelmed by something, and that he needed to do the kid equivalent of rebooting; so I walked in and covered his head and body with my heavy coat and sat down next to him. After about five minutes, he calmed down enough to talk through the coat, and a little after that he told me what was wrong. Once he started talking, he became cheerful again and went back into class.

The OCD -- yep, we had that too. It just took constant redirection. He needs to get used to looking you in the eye when you talk; that focuses him. It can be overwhelming for some autistic kids, though, so if he fights it try holding his hands or cutting out outside stimulation (television off, fans, off, lights off, people away -- basically as close to a blank empty room as possible) until he gets used to responding to you. If the OCD is really bad and he can't refocus, you may need to actually medicate; though I hate medication it is sometimes necessary. Try EVERYTHING else first. Autistic children need to be retrained, and the medications can sometimes get in the way of that.

Hunter was OCD with Yu-Gi-Oh cards; he would always default to the cards when he had to interact and didn't want to. He also would get very upset when his routine was upset -- rough for a military kid!

Pick up Temple Grandin's book, too -- I don't remember the name, anyone out there have it? Oh, it's Animals in Translation. My copy's loaned out. It will tell you so much about how autistic kids see the world!! She's a weird lady, but it's a weird with a real charm to it.

Autism in any form never goes away. It is a neurological wiring issue. I always knew my mind worked differently from everyone else's, but I never understood why; I just put it down to being freakishly smart. Now I know: why I didn't pick up on social signals; why I didn't care for the same things other girls liked; why I got totally obsessed with Robin Hood and, later, Indiana Jones; why I had bathroom issues and no one else did; why I had absolutely no common sense.

All that social stuff that most kids pick up through observation, a child with autism must learn through practice and study. The profundity of the autism will dictate how basic you have to go. High-functioning like my son and I mostly need to learn body language cues and how to recognize physical and verbal responses to what we do. Lower functioning autistics will have to start at more basic levels, like learning to focus on a single person who is speaking to you rather than the spot on the wall, and how to tune out all the extra background stimulation -- sometimes as simple as the hum of an air conditioner, or of a fly.

A lot of his frustration is probably that he doesn't understand the feedback he gets from the rest of the world, or he is not getting feedback that he reconizes as feedback. Watch what he wants, and, while retaining structure so he knows something is expected of him, respond to him in ways he can understand. For instance, my son's a snuggler. I let him snuggle as much as I can, and talk to him whether he seems to be listening or not; he's always listening at that point. I will also seek him out at times, and instead of talking to him face to face, I'll sit down with him and put my arm around him and talk while he's snuggling up against me.

Bedtime stories work really well for me as a reward, especially when accompanied by snuggling. Hugging him sometimes helps when he's upset -- just holding him really tightly when he's upset, even if he struggles. (Read about Temple Grandin's hugging machine -- that will freak you out!) Put together a robust reward system. Negative reinforcement doesn't work well with autistics -- they don't understand it. But they're just starved for positive reinforcement; there seems to be a certain amount of uncertainty in the early years that quickly turns into a lack of self confidence. Positive reinforcement helps offset that.

I was really, really lucky; I fell in with a group of peers many of whom had autistic symptoms -- SF fandom, anyone? Then again, I always wanted to be a writer, so I forced myself to learn how to describe all these verbal and physical cues in words. When I could recognize them in words, I could suddenly recognize them when I saw them. It took years. I'm trying to make it easier on Hunter, and I think I have succeeded. But it is a struggle every day.

Where you are right now, that's a really hard place. But you have a diagnosis at an early point, and that's a start (get a formal diagnosis as soon as you can -- autism centers are opening up all over the country). Learn everything you can about it, and look at it as a difference, not a problem.

The problem isn't your son; it's really that most other people in the world function differently from him, and they expect something different from him. The blessing of autism, though, is that once you have learned to function in this alien world you have a different perspective, a different way of solving problems, and often a brilliantly active imagination. Temple Grandin turned it into her dream career. Your son can do that too. Autism doesn't mean that you give up on the future; it often means that your future is blessed.

If your son has siblings, don't leave them out. Teach them how to interact with him more easily, and listen to them when they tell you what works; kids pick up on these things faster than adults. And include them in the reward system. They'll feel left out very quickly if you don't.

I know there's more, but that's all I can think of right now. Do remember, it's not the end of the world. I sometimes wonder if autism is an evolution that we are struggling through, it's becoming so prevalent. But then, that might just be my natural arrogance.

Jamie
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Old 06-07-2006, 01:22 AM
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OMG Jamie! I feel like I owe you a consultation fee for that post. I can't thank you enough for the insight you have given me. Hunter is a lucky little guy! Would you be my hand holding, advice giving buddy until my little Elliott is 18...?

It's late, I mean early and I'm not an Aspie so excuse my lame response. I would love to talk to you further about this. I have attended an Attwood seminar which was so chock full of information similar to what you have passed on to me.

I LOVE the naming the tantrum boy idea! I even love the name Zelbert! We will definately have to try that. Elliott will be mainstreamed into regular kindergarten w/ a part time aid this fall. I am so nervous. We have the potty training pretty much down (he doesn't like to flush or wash hands). But he complains that the room is wobbly and he has to start over and he can't walk. We call him noodle legs. Any clues as to why he does that. He also HATES to go to sleep. I try to equate it to the computer going to sleep so it can take in more information or a battery running out of power and needing recharging. He seems to like that (he's so into technology). Still he screams at bedtime.

Also, he could have a perfect day at school, but when it's time to come home he loses it. He said he doesn't like to come out to the car because of the wind. It hurts my feelings a bit that he starts screaming when it's time for me to get him!

Elliott is a word and a computer guy. He taught himself to read at 2. He surfs the net, types e-mails and IM's family members. He is really too much! He is so fun to watch. There is a sweetheart, tender guy in there. He just seems so frustrated so often. I NEVER want me or anyone else to hurt his self esteem! That's my #1 mission. I know he will always excel academically and will accomplish so much as long as his self esteem is strong. I do want him to realize that he is so very special!

Please stay in touch. I have read one of Temple Grandin's books. I believe it was her second one. I loved the insight she gave. I am so glad she found her niche.

Now...how do you live with an Aspie husband? I think mine is...not sure...he's the smart, clueless one around here! Ok...it's 3:30 am. I tend to stay up late to have me time! Good night/morning!
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
OMG Jamie! I feel like I owe you a consultation fee for that post.
! Email me personally if you want -- do you know how to do that? I'll hold your hand as long as you need it. But so will this board.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
I LOVE the naming the tantrum boy idea! I even love the name Zelbert! We will definately have to try that.
Try it, but be sensitive; I suspect some kids will react badly to it. I was very cautious about it at first, because it felt almost as if it was giving him a split personality. But it apparently let him look at his behavior from outside himself. I remember doing that sort of thing when I was little.

Anyway, despite the remarkable similarities, every autistic is a little different. And a little in the world of autism can be a lot.


Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
Elliott will be mainstreamed into regular kindergarten w/ a part time aid this fall. I am so nervous. We have the potty training pretty much down (he doesn't like to flush or wash hands). But he complains that the room is wobbly and he has to start over and he can't walk. We call him noodle legs. Any clues as to why he does that.
Don't be nervous; he'll pick up on that. Just keep the phone close by. He'll be just fine. You could ask about meeting his aide before school starts, maybe even go out to lunch and the playground with her and Elliott.

YES, I know why he's noodle-legs! Almost every autistic child is very clumsy; my mother sent me to ballet classes, but when I excelled there and the clumsiness didn't change, she gave up. You can try something like that, though -- classes in martial arts, dance, gymnastics, tumbling -- anything that gets him to focus on physical movement. It's just like the social thing; he doesn't pick up on the cues for physical unless it's pointed out to him explicitly. And I think there's also something physiological that they haven't pinpointed yet. With Hunter, we didn't have any of that; he's a pretty athletic little guy.

Flushing and washing hands might be easier if you turn it into a game. Give him something like toy pliers that he can use to flush, or look into getting a push-button flusher installed. For hand washing, think about things like crayon soaps that make his hands a different color before he rinses -- or it might be the water pressure. You could try an aerator. Does he have a handwashing problem everywhere?

Autistics seem to prefer to believe that the processes of elimination do not belong to them; they try to ignore its reality. That is why there are profound potty-training issues. Just getting away from THAT as fast as possible might be a big part of the problem too.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
He also HATES to go to sleep. I try to equate it to the computer going to sleep so it can take in more information or a battery running out of power and needing recharging. He seems to like that (he's so into technology). Still he screams at bedtime.
Also pretty normal. Have you tried white noise? It might block out what's bothering him. A very firm bedtime routine helps; you can give him the job of watching the clock and timing each thing, so that when he gets to the end of pjs, tooth-brushing, toilet, story, he knows that it is time to go to sleep.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
Also, he could have a perfect day at school, but when it's time to come home he loses it. He said he doesn't like to come out to the car because of the wind. It hurts my feelings a bit that he starts screaming when it's time for me to get him!
He really does mean that about the wind. It's the change, it's not you. It could also be sounds in the car. Does he have music he likes? Or maybe you could make it a habit to sit in the car with him for five minutes and just talk. Give him a routine to work with. Keep toys that are only car toys. If you can make the car a friendly place, it will probably help a lot.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
Elliott is a word and a computer guy. He taught himself to read at 2. He surfs the net, types e-mails and IM's family members. He is really too much! He is so fun to watch.
That REALLY sounds like Aspergers.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
There is a sweetheart, tender guy in there. He just seems so frustrated so often. I NEVER want me or anyone else to hurt his self esteem! That's my #1 mission. I know he will always excel academically and will accomplish so much as long as his self esteem is strong. I do want him to realize that he is so very special!
You'll do just fine, then.

He is frustrated a lot; he's so very smart, yet he's not picking up on things he knows he should be seeing. That's tough. You might even try saying that to him so he knows you see what he's going through.

Hunter's biggest problem was communication. He kept "word pools" -- a bunch of words that were sort of suited to what he wanted to say. When he needed to communicate, he'd just pluck a word out of the pool and use it. The W words were the worst: who, what, when, where, why, and how. It took a year and a half to straighten him up on those, he's so concrete! But through the whole thing, I always made sure that he knew I understood and loved him.

Originally Posted by Momtoelandandy
Now...how do you live with an Aspie husband? I think mine is...not sure...he's the smart, clueless one around here!
With an autistic child, it's not unusual to have at least one parent who has the same tendencies. Has he ever taken a test to see where he fell in the autism spectrum? If not, I'll go dig out the one I found online. Very eye opening. Just his knowing what's going on might help him a lot, and it might help him work better with Elliott, too.

For him, sometimes ADD drugs help -- and sometimes they do the opposite of what you want. Something to think about if he gets diagnosed formally.

For you, patience is the critical element. He'll drive you nuts. But if he realizes what's going on and you work with him, you'll probably see a difference pretty quickly.

Good luck, and just drop me a line anytime.
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Old 06-29-2006, 09:57 PM
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Is there anyone with an Autistic child? I have 2 in the spectrum-a 12 year old son with Aspergers and a 7 year old high functioning son. Just wanted to lend support to any out there with special needs.
I'm new here
Hi, I also have a son with Aspergers and he is 13. He will be starting high school in September and I'm trying to get IEP services. We have tried a 504 plan for Junior high and it was a nightmare. I'm getting resistance from the special ed department because they don't want to qualify him since he is off the charts smart. However, his social skills and his inability to control his temper has interfered with his ability to completely excel in school.
Has anyone had any luck with attorneys or advocates? I'm thinking I need to get a little help for when we meet up with the administrators of the high school he'll be going to.
If anyone has any suggestions for me, I'd love to hear them. Thanks so much.
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Old 07-03-2006, 07:50 PM
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Double O,
How long has your son been diagnosed? Mine has only been diagnosed for 2 years and we had problems before he was diagnosed. He also had an anger problem. In 4th grade they had him attend an anger management class. The problem was that the class wasn't consistent, they gave us absolutely no feedback as to what to try at home, what they were trying, or anything. Plus the fact that the class was always held during a specials time, so he was missing out on something that he really liked to do. So he was already angry before he even got to the class.
This was his first year in middle school and he was put into a social skills class to help with his anger and his social skills. It was a waste of time also for almost the exact same reasons. There was no feedback from the teacher-this is from the one teacher that I needed feedback from and I was in constant contact with most of his teachers through email and meetings-and he was really frustrated by the whole thing.
In our area, we have a support group called CARD-the Center for Autistic and Related Disabilities. They are out of the University of Central Florida and they have co-ordinators who help with everything from getting you information for specialists to helping with IEP's-observing your child in class, making suggestions for the IEP and attending the IEP with you-to toliet training. My co-ordinator said that the social skills class really aren't made for our Asperger's kids because they aren't formatted for their type of problems.
I have found that Zach has become better about his anger and that a lot of his anger was due to frustration with kids teasing him quietly when the teacher wasn't looking and for people not following the rules, especially in free recess time. This was very evident in his 4th grade class where he had a teacher who was very rule oriented-a good thing for him-but was very unflexible for his thinking and problems. He would get upset at the other kids not playing kickball by the rules when they had free time and he loves kickball. Instead of helping him with this, she banned him from playing kickball. This was before we had him diagnosed. Now we are a bit more savvy, but still learning.
I would suggest that you check out if there are any advocacy groups that support Aspergers/Autism in your area. If you have no luck there, check with your school board. There will be someone who is the head of the ESE programs. Talk to them about your concerns. You might also check with the local bar association. I just discovered a mom near me who has a 5 year old newly diagnosed Asperger's child who is a member of the bar. She said that they have a person who does only educational problems-she attends IEP's and such all day long.
Do you know any other parents of Aspergers/Autistic children in your school district? They might know of some local help. Good luck. I am still reading everything that I can get my hands on to help my son. I am fearing the whole high school nightmare. Luckily he has a twin sister who supports him, but even then I worry that he won't have any friends.
Let me know if I can help or if you find out anything or if you just need to vent.
Katie

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