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Old 08-01-2008, 08:11 PM
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Question Beginning to panic

Hello,
We are newly licensed foster parents who hope to ultimately adopt. We have 3 bio kids a girl age 15 and two boys ages 10 and 4.
Since my kids have such a wide age span (NOT intentional) they have all sort of grown up together but seperate. Like 3 only children that live in the same house. None of them are ever at the same stage or want to play the same thing.
One wants to go to the playground but the other two don't want to go and don't want to play with him, etc...
I know it is impossible to create a perfect family, but we were hoping to foster/adopt two boys between the ages of 4 and 9...essentially between my two boys.
We actually told the licensor that we'd take 0-9, which would be fine, but the other numbers would be ideal.
We're kind of getting cold feet now that our license is here. I am worrying about messing with the birth order and thinking maybe we should have kids younger than our youngest?
We are also concerned with baggage and violence, etc....seems like older kids collect more over the years than youngers...although reading through this and other forums....it is plain to see that infants and toddlers can have baggage and mess up an otherwise normal and happy home.
We really feel led by God to help children in need. We also feel strongly to protect those God has already entrusted to us. We've always felt that God gave us those big gaps between our birth children to fill in with children in need.
But again, now that the lisence is actually here, we're kind of beginning to panic.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
KC in NC
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Old 08-01-2008, 09:54 PM
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Hi! Congratulations on your new license and your new adventure!!

My husband and I are foster parents in the state of Wisconsin. So - I can only speak to our experience and knowledge based on this state's laws and procedures. We only take babies 0-2. We did not go into this planning to adopt. We already have 3 kids currently age 18, 17, and 12. Our goal simply was to provide some unfortunate kids with a healthy, stable environment for the period of time that the state deemed necessary. However, we now find ourselves adopting the 2 year old angel who came into our arms at the age of 5 months. We have had many other babies come and go - and so far, every "ending" was a happy one. We are actually sending our 17 month and 6 month babies (siblings) off to their new adoptive foster home next week.

To answer some of your questions or fears...........When the agency calls for a placement, they will tell you if they know what types of traumas or experiences the child has had. You have every right to say "I'm sorry. I don't think that we have the skills / patience / knowledge etc. to provide for this child at this time." While this may sound insensitive, it is only honest and sensitive to the needs of your own family. That has to come first. They will certainly call you again with another child. Heaven knows there are more of them than the system can handle.
If you choose to say "yes" to a placement, you have every right to request that the child be removed from your home at any time - especially if you feel that their needs are more than your family can handle.
This being said, it would not be fair for you to expect a traumatized child to meet a need within your own family. Placing an expectation upon them would certainly be damaging to their healing process. Furthermore, accepting a foster child with the expectation of adoption could also be very traumatic for your family as well as the child. Unless, of course, this child has been "in the system" for a long time, and is on an adoption list already. The primary goal of the foster system is reunification. Therefore, chances are, this child is going back to his birth family or a relative when the situation becomes safe again. When this happens, it is a time for celebration, as this is most likely what the child wants more than anything.

Because you are a loving family and feel a calling to share your love and stable home with a child who is so in need, I really encourage you to just give it a try. If it's anything like what we have experienced, children will come and go - sometimes staying only a few days, or sometimes staying for a couple of years. And you will feel great knowing that you have shared your blessings from God with a little one who may never have had the chance, and will never forget it. If your family goes into it with the full knowledge that the child will likely go back to his birth family, then the pain and disappointment of losing him/her will be so much more bearable. And, if by chance, a child lands in your home, and has the opportunity to stay forever, then God's blessings upon you and the child are only magnified.
Yes, all of these kids come with "baggage." The things that they experience and see and hear and did are unimaginable. But you have the opportunity to show these kids that their experience is not "typical" and that there are better ways to live by being strong, moral, caring, honest, etc. They won't get it overnight, but they will reap the benefits of the positive environment in your home.

We chose to take only babies because I've had a "baby itch" for a very long time. AND because these babies are not destructive. They don't act out behaviorally or sexually. Those issues worried me a lot - because I know that children who have experienced sexual abuse or physical abuse frequently "act out" on the children or pets in their foster home. I have a lot of medical training and can handle just about any physical disability or need. But I don't have the patience or time to properly handle behavioral problems. So - the babies were the best bet for us. Our children all participate in the care of the children - they are learning so much about parenting, social injustice, poverty, responsibility, etc. It has truly been a wonderful experiance for us all.

Best of luck to you. I'm sorry I can't speak more about the older foster children. I just don't have a lot of experience there.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:54 PM
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I have no advice, I just wanted to wish you luck. I hope you come to a decision that you are happy with.

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Old 08-04-2008, 06:43 AM
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This is Frank, not Sam.

Until very recently I was a child social worker, I dealt with removal and placement both in foster care and adoption. Obviously every child is different but I find that quite often if a person/couple have children adopting/fostering a child younger than the youngest seems to work the best as their current children aren't so confused as trivial things such as 1st child, second child, 3rd child etc remain the same.
Children also notice that the younger a child is the more direct attention they get, so say fostered a 6 year old, your four year old may be confused as to why the new 'big' kid is being played with more etc. Clearly this is just the most common out come, not the only outcome. Some children do fine with a child pushed into the middle of their family or the top of their family.
I think it's very important that your own children know you are looking after the new child/children and that they wont be stopping forever. You know like you are looking after them until their own mum/dad can.
I know you said you cannot create the perfect family, but it seems like you want convenient children to be play mates to entertain your children. This is something you definately wont get, nor should you place upon the child. If the child is to be reunited until mum or dad can take care of them again, you need to encourage this thought, not the thought that you are a perfect little family and now everyone has a playmate.
Every single child in care has baggage, alot of children in care around 3 and above now they can play the foster card, so they wont be little darlings as they know they can get away with hitting you and disobeying you as you can do virtually nothing back.
A foster child never messes up a happy normal home, they change how the family works, a child doesn't enter your home and fit in, you have to change for them just as you would of done for each of your children.
I know it's harsh but trust me, when you get a placement you will be more prepared.
I fostered a 5 year old girl for nearly two years, she was lovely but an absolute terror because to her our house was like a nursery, so she knew she could missbehave more than she usually would with her mum. It's really hard not to lose it, because with alot of children in foster care you simply cannot shout at them because, even if very small those who have been taken away always remember what their parents were like if you trigger it, by something like shouting and it can terrify them. Obviously you shouldn't shout at children anyway but most of us do occasionally, we couldn't even use stern voice for her, we had to take a toy away and tell her why it was naughty, if we tried to be forceful by voice, she wouldn't come near us afterwards as she thought that meant she couldn't trust us.
It's kind of like how, if you look after someone elses child you cannot punish them really, only very slightly, it's like that.
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:11 PM
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Welcome to the board!

No advise from me. I have never been a foster parent.

Frank, appreciate your very thoughtful and insightful discussion.
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Samual
but it seems like you want convenient children to be play mates to entertain your children. This is something you definately wont get, nor should you place upon the child.
Hi Frank,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Thank you EVERYONE for replies.
Frank, I have thought a lot about your comment above. Part of me feels offended, and at the same time, part of me agrees with you.
If we were hoping to foster/adopt ONLY to provide our children with friends or playmates, I can see this being a negative thing. Mostly because I don't think a person wanting only this would care for this child deeply enough for him/herself alone. They would only see the child as providing some kind of a service.
On the other hand I admit that ONEof the reasons we'd like to foster/adopt is for the reason stated above. To be perfectly honest, this was also our driving force for having our second bio child....because we wanted our daughter to have a playmate (for childhood) and a life-long connection/companion in a sibling as a teen an adult. Virtually everyone I know of wants second and subsequent children for this reason, and among other reasons.
Sure, many of us want a large family and just WANT more or lots of children. I think if you think it's selfish to want a foster/adopt child to be a playmate, would it also be selfish because you wanted a child for YOURSELF, as well?
I mean, if I asked a grown adult who declares loving children what they like to be with children...they'd probably say they like to be with them, to spend time with them, to play with them and to share life with them. Does that sound wrong?
Well, my children also like to spend time with other kids, to be with them, play with them and to share life with them. And so do I!
We want to foster/adopt as a way to grow our family. Is that bad? (honestly asking, not being sarcastic)
We plan to support RU if that is where the plan is heading. 2 of our 3 children are old enough to understand everything and the 4 year old can understand some. If it comes to adoption, we would be thrilled, but we do want to support the best outcome for the child and if RU is it, then we plan to fully support that effort.
Perhaps I impled it somewhere, but we don't plan to just get a child from the biohome and brainwash it into being a robot controlled by the remote in my bio-child's hand. We don't intend to pretend that the child has no history...as if we can erase who he or she is and just plant this child in our home and they will grow according to our family tree.
Frank, we have always wanted a large family. We have 3 bio children with a 5 and 6 year gap between them. We thought that perhaps God gave us this gap to fill with children in need...rather than to simply give us subsequent birth children every 2 years as He does for some families.
Your reply to me left me feeling as if, in your opinion and experience, that it is unrealistic to believe that a fostered or foster/adopted child (ren) will not or cannot become a part of a normal, healthy family in which children laugh, cry, play, live and learn together. Is that what you are saying or am I mistaken in understanding this?
I see posts where people state that one should NEVER leave a foster child alone with a bio child, ever because you just never know what experiences the child had and in which way they may act out and possibly abuse other children.
I've also seen posts where people felt that foster kids are just regular kids who have endured extraordinary experiences. They recommend to treat and raise the child as you would your own.
I would imagine that each case would be different, each child to be handled accordingly as an individual...same as we do with bio children.
But it is confusing (hence my op) to know if we should be kind of afraid of the kids...to be on guard every moment waiting for them to do some unmentionable behavior or whether to just love them and be there for them and hope and pray you make a positive difference in their lives.
How are we supposed to love and care for these kids when you, as an experienced child worker say they'll be terrors? Yeah, I hear what your'e saying about putting up with our kids' friends because we can't do much to them. Yeah, I've noticed this...but if they really get out of line...I DO respond to them in a similar manner as I do my bio children...who are largely well-behaved.
I admit to shouting when I get to the end of my rope and I admit to spanking my children on a very rare occasion, but yeah, I do. NO, I don't spank or shout at friends...and I rarely do my own children, either.
I do lots of other mean stuff, though, like if they don't do what I ask of them...then I don't do what they ask of me. If your room isn't clean, then I'm not taking you to baseball practice and so on. Shouting and spanking might be scary or hurt for a few seconds or minutes but taking or witholding stuff they want hurts way more, on our experience.
I expect to be respected, therefore, my children act respectfully. If I were a pushover, then my kids would use me for a doormat, I'm sure.
So, by not being able to "do" anything to a foster kid..I don't know how big of an issue this will become since I don't DO much to my generally well-behaved and polite bio kids. Yeah, they have moments, but so do I and no one "does" anything to me when I have a moment.
I actually got a similar response from a social worker who came out to our house to give us the run-down of how foster care works when we first inquired. The guy flat out told us that we had a very nice family...that kids in foster care were very messed up...and we would be smart to keep our family how it is.
Your post reminds me of that guy...and I am wondering why that is? Of others reading this...do you have experiences where you have bio kids and foster or foster/adopt kids...do your families play and get along together in a fairly normal, realistic sense or is it total mayhem and upheaval.
Just as a birth of a new baby would change the dynamics of a family, I expect some upheaval to a degree. And, Frank, you were on the right track when you said we wanted "convenient" children...we did say that we cannot handle kids with MAJOR needs or disabilities.
Some may see this as unrealistic or self-serving but I see it as very realistic. If there is such a child out there, then they would be a good match for us. If there is not one child in the Foster care system that meets our needs, then we will not have a placement.
We do want more children...and we are ready and willing to be Gods tools to take care of His children. If my bio kids have a good time playing with them and if they have a good time playing with my bio kids then I do not understand why this should be a problem. I should think it would be ideal or even desireable?
So, I am not looking to be a grump here, I am sincerely seeking information or ideas or input or I don't know what! I would much rather ask hard questions then to pretend all will be fine and just go ahead..only to get a child that does not work out and have to have the child disrupted.
We simply want to grow our family at the same time as opening our home to a child in need. Do you think it is impossible for bio and foster, foster/adopt kids to become true "siblings?"
Thanks,
Kelli
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:52 AM
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Phew lots of answers to write
I'll paste your queries in here in speach marks ok, it should make it easier for you.

"Sure, many of us want a large family and just WANT more or lots of children. I think if you think it's selfish to want a foster/adopt child to be a playmate, would it also be selfish because you wanted a child for YOURSELF, as well?"
None of our children are with us due to our want of children, for us it is because they need a family and we believe it would be selfish not to be parents to them, when we have the love, time and financial means to raise them. I think it is selfish to have children for your own want, I think children should be brought into a family with the want of giving someone a safe life. If that makes any sense.

"I mean, if I asked a grown adult who declares loving children what they like to be with children...they'd probably say they like to be with them, to spend time with them, to play with them and to share life with them. Does that sound wrong?"
Unless they mean in a parental sense, yes!

"Well, my children also like to spend time with other kids, to be with them, play with them and to share life with them. And so do I!
We want to foster/adopt as a way to grow our family. Is that bad?"
What your current children want has to mean nothing, unless they are very very against fostering or adopting. Your children already have siblings to do that with. It's not bad, it's how you do it, but I wouldn't make a foster parent truely a part of my family, unless they were being adopted. It seems wierd but after a few weeks you learn how to take care of them, without shunning them out of your family.

"Your reply to me left me feeling as if, in your opinion and experience, that it is unrealistic to believe that a fostered or foster/adopted child (ren) will not or cannot become a part of a normal, healthy family in which children laugh, cry, play, live and learn together. Is that what you are saying or am I mistaken in understanding this?"
It depends on the child, normally if they are very young (6 weeks to around 2 years) there are virtually no extra problems to what you would experience with your own children. Fostered children know their foster home is like a halfway hotel and they are not part of your family, they are part of their mum and dads family.

"I see posts where people state that one should NEVER leave a foster child alone with a bio child, ever because you just never know what experiences the child had and in which way they may act out and possibly abuse other children."
Unless a foster child was a baby or young toddler I would never leave them with anyone, not only that you should never leave a foster child alone apart from bedtime. If they are alone doing something in their bedroom you have to constantly check on them. A lot of foster children are quite violent due to what they have been exposed too and if they have been in care homes as due to the amount of children, misbehaving is the easiest way to get attention. To be fair your case worker should of taken the time to explain all of this to you.

"I've also seen posts where people felt that foster kids are just regular kids who have endured extraordinary experiences. They recommend to treat and raise the child as you would your own."
Treat them the same, but unless adoption is going to happen, don't treat them emotionally the same as your own children, you do think of they need to be loved etc, but most foster children are moved every 6 months. It's like, the lesser of two evils.

"I would imagine that each case would be different, each child to be handled accordingly as an individual...same as we do with bio children.
But it is confusing (hence my op) to know if we should be kind of afraid of the kids...to be on guard every moment waiting for them to do some unmentionable behavior or whether to just love them and be there for them and hope and pray you make a positive difference in their lives."
Of course each case is different, there is no reason to be on edge though, are you on edge all the time waiting for your own children to missbehave?

"How are we supposed to love and care for these kids when you, as an experienced child worker say they'll be terrors? Yeah, I hear what your'e saying about putting up with our kids' friends because we can't do much to them. Yeah, I've noticed this...but if they really get out of line...I DO respond to them in a similar manner as I do my bio children...who are largely well-behaved."

Would you dislike your own children for being naughty?

"Shouting and spanking might be scary or hurt for a few seconds or minutes but taking or witholding stuff they want hurts way more, on our experience."
Try telling that to a child who has been beaten and screamed at by the people who are supposed to always be there for them. Never ever raise your hand to anyone or shout at anyone infront of a fostered or adopted child.

"I actually got a similar response from a social worker who came out to our house to give us the run-down of how foster care works when we first inquired. The guy flat out told us that we had a very nice family...that kids in foster care were very messed up...and we would be smart to keep our family how it is."

I think it's because alot of people think, yeah we can do some good fostering. Then when the foster child arrives, they wonder why they aren't behaving, why their own children are behaving differently etc.

"Of others reading this...do you have experiences where you have bio kids and foster or foster/adopt kids...do your families play and get along together in a fairly normal, realistic sense or is it total mayhem and upheaval."
We have adopted children, we wouldn't foster while any of them are living at home, unless one decided to be a bum and be here in their twenties. Due to what I have seen with other families who are sometimes angry at their parents decision and jealous of how the foster child is treated. In a lot of foster families there is an Us and them feeling, which is why most people who are approved either are childless or are approved for babies and young toddlers.

"If my bio kids have a good time playing with them and if they have a good time playing with my bio kids then I do not understand why this should be a problem. I should think it would be ideal or even desireable?"
Once again, judging someone on the ability to play is wrong. What if you fostered a shy child, would you not want them because they don't want to play?

"We simply want to grow our family at the same time as opening our home to a child in need. Do you think it is impossible for bio and foster, foster/adopt kids to become true "siblings?""
I personally have only seen it work when a child has been adopted at a very young age, upto two years and the other children already in the family are older and have an understanding of where the new sibling came from.

As horrible as it sounds, alot of older foster children 4+ are often still in foster care because they have been turned down by adoptive parents due to behavior, past, disability etc. Or they have only recently entered the care system, so they are often in an extremely bad emotional and sometimes physical state. I really do think to be able to foster, you have to be ready to take on the worse possible senario and be willing to accept it.

You should talk to your case worker about partime fostering at first, which is weekend only, sometimes it is children who normally are in a childrens home, or sometimes for parents with disabilities who need respite, at least then you aren't jumping into the deepend but you are experiencing what it's like. Or you can be put in touch with a local foster carer or a local childrens home and spend sometime there. As then you wont have the pressure of the children being totally your responsibily 24/7, which should help you to learn exactly how you feel about it. There is no one out there who is totally sure and not worried, everyone is nervous about whether they can manage, will they be suitable etc.

The wait and the 'tests' are definately the worst parts though.

Frank
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:12 AM
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Frank, please register for your own account. It helps to keep track of who is who for us. And it helps us to get to know you better!

BTW, welcome.

The system may flag you as having the same IP as samual. If that happens, please let me know. Use a different email from Sam for the registration.

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