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View Poll Results: Should states enact laws permitting homosexuals to marry?
Yes 64 65.98%
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:20 AM
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Default Gay Marriage: Yes or No?

We have had several discussions on Gay Marriage that have quickly become lengthy and broken off into tangents. The focus of this thread is:

Should states enact laws permitting homosexuals to marry? Why or why not?

The most recent discussion is here:
http://forums.families.com/gay-marriage,t3551
and there are previous discussions here:
http://forums.families.com/why-do-so...084#post216084
http://forums.families.com/bible-his...4&pagenumber=4

Related discussion about religion and this issue is here:
http://forums.families.com/,p802566#post802566

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:35 AM
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Here in Canada, same sex couples are legally allowed to marry "before the eyes of God", however the law leaves some unanswered questions as to whether it's a "marriage" that brings with it all of the usual benefits (tax breaks) afforded by the nation to married couples, or a "union" of two people that simply recognizes their committment to each other, satisfies their desire to join together in holy matrimony, and offers them a piece of paper to place inside their cedar chest - that is if they so "choose" to go the cedar chest route. Like the same sex marriage debate that is presently going on in the USA, it is nothing more than a stage of the growing pains of change. When we put aside our traditional values and beliefs of what a married couple means or is "supposed" to be, and we look the two people involved directly in the eyes I think we will see, no matter how icky it might seem to some, that these people want to get married for all of the same reasons you and I did. Indeed, America, like any one-nation or one-person will attempt to cling to it's traditions with all it's might, and when you think about it, clinging to our traditions and values is what we all seem to do. Simply put, if you invite someone into your house and they move the furniture around you're going to speak to them about it. "That's not the way we do things around here". But what if it's their house too?
The long held notions by religions and the nation itself that "marriage" means man and woman, and "family" means mom, dad and kids is slowly fading into the future. Even hetrosexual couples do not always have kids, and not all families have a mom and dad either - single mothers raise your hands please. This debate, like it or not, questions our sense of fairness and drags us all into the arena of "human rights" and, again, like it or not, it puts the same question to a nation that once asked itself "are negros human beings" (term used for historical purpose only), and "should women" be allowed to vote and have a say in how this country is run"? For the academics it's a chess match, for others it's a game of checkers, but it still comes down to the same thing: White ruling class against black, male ruling class against female, hetrosexual ruling class against homosexual...but I digress. Time will take care of it all. Cross muh heart and promise!
If I have any problem whatsoever within the debate and discussions that surround gay marriage, it is with the use of the term "sexual orientation". This term has never been defined but rather thrown out there in the midst of the debate both here in Canada and the USA. Once it has been properly and legally defined, I would like to see all the white people, all the men folk, and all the hetrosexuals step back and allow their brothers and sisters pass through. JMO

PS: And BTW, was it my flippant response to the now closed gay marriage thread that put the lock on it? Geez, I hope not. I was just trying to make a point. Anyhoo...Happy Sunday!
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:54 AM
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No, Duncan, that was not the lock. We've been looking to lock that up for a while. It has gone where it can go. We need to start several new conversations on this.

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Old 01-28-2007, 11:23 AM
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I put yes...and was going to put my 2cents but Duncan has said it...I'm from Canada too.

I'm of the opinion...let them have it...they will see how hard it is and how much work it takes
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Old 01-28-2007, 11:48 AM
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"Separate but Equal" does not work. You can't have equality when you have laws that don't apply to people equally. Denying marriage laws/rights to gay people is the exact same kind of discrimination we've been trying to get over in this country for way too long.

That a man can marry a man, or a woman can marry a woman, does not impair anyone else's ability to be a parent.
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Old 01-28-2007, 11:53 AM
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"Separate but Equal" does not work. You can't have equality when you have laws that don't apply to people equally. Denying marriage laws/rights to gay people is the exact same kind of discrimination we've been trying to get over in this country for way too long.
So you agree with gay marriage....
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:00 PM
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Yes, I agree with gays having the same rights as everyone else. Anything else would be unAmerican.
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:13 PM
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I voted no and that's not because I hate gay people or think that their love for someone of the same sex isn't real love or something. I first and foremost believe the Bible to be true and to be a guidebook of what is right and wrong. The Bible always addresses marriage as a union between a man and a woman, never between a man and man or woman and woman. I can see how if you don't believe the Bible then why wouldn't you support gay marriage, but if you do believe then you know that God has said homosexuality is a sin.

Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not have sex with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination."

I should add that this country, the USA, was founded by Bible believers and for States to now change the definition of the institution of marriage would be going against what the country was founded on. If we can change that what would keep us from changing other foundations of our country?
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:47 PM
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I voted yes. I pretty much second everything Duncan said-Well put!
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:15 PM
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I must admit, I am very surprised at the poll numbers this far. The previous thread showed many more posters against gay marriage, especially when it is termed "marriage."

I do believe that states should allow gays or same sex couples to marry and should allow it to be a "marriage" not a civil partnership. Unless they want to turn all civil marriages into civil unions or partnerships...then go for it. But there isn't any legal reason why same sex couples can't enjoy the same legal benefits as opposite sex couples. Individual churches, religions, and denominations can, naturally, decide differently if they want.

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