[pladecalvo]

Aulus Perseus (60AD
Coumella (1st Century AD)
Dio Chrysostom (
Justus of Tiberius (80AD)
Livy (59BC - 17
Lucanus (6
Lucius Florus (1st-2nd cent AD
Petronius (66
Phaedeus (15BC-50
Philo Judaeus (20BC - 5
Phlegon (1 cent.
Pliny the Elder (23BC - 69AD)
Plutarch (119
Pomponius Meta (40
Rufus Curtius (1st Cent.
Quintillan (100AD
Quintus Curtlus (1st Cent. AD)
Seneca (4BC - 65A
Silius Italicus (25-101 A
Statius Caelicius (1st Cent.
Theon of Smyrna (70-13
Valerius Fiaccus (1st Cen)
Valerius Maximus (20AD)
None of the writings of any of these historian offer any mention of Jesus or the miracles associated with him through biblical writings. So we're asked to believe that this man really lived, performed miracles beyond the likes of anything ever seen by man, and yet garnered not the attention of a single historian of the day, and wasn't even found to be note-worthy by those who claimed to know him and witness these miracles until he'd been dead for almost four decades.
Lets discuss!

[mrmnmom82]

Why does it matter if these other people didn't think Him important enough to write about. What was written of Him, a lot of people didn't like Him, or the ideas he brought around. A lot didn't believe Him. What stands out more is that there are only 2 books He is mentioned in, yet so many people have found that these books, and believe in them. It means alot to them, they become better people because of the words in those books and because of the example he set. So what if you don't think he's our Savior. He still set a good example of how we should live our lives. As my wiccan friend puts it "He was a really nice guy, why wouldn't you want to be like him?"

[Alejandros Mommy]

I had a jewish friend that told me that they referred to him as a 'prophet', and there are texts in the Koran that refer to Jesus

[kalhayd2]

The Koran(according to my World Religions class) considers Jesus the next greatest Prophet next to Muhammed. Jews believe he was a prophet, too. In fact, the vast majority of World Religions mention Jesus is some form or another.
I don't think I care if everyone from the era didn't find the need to write about him- lots of stuf wasn't mentioned back then that VERY well exsist today. So does his absense in the text you provided make him nothing but a fairytale? Nope.
Maybe YOU should have included where he is mentioned and overly recognized!

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by Aiden&Alejandros Mommy

I had a jewish friend that told me that they referred to him as a 'prophet',

Well they certainly don't refer to him as the 'messiah'....which is interesting considering that it was their Bible and their prophecies. Christians claim he was the messiah prophecied in the Bible yet the people who really should know...don't accept that he is.

and there are texts in the Koran that refer to Jesus

Do you accept everything else that it says in the Qur'an?

[J920]

Many did write about Jesus. And many didnt.
And yes a debate can go on and on with both sides providing evidence, scientific testimony, historical data, opinions from great minds of past, present and future but it means if you think your counterparts are ignorant.
mrmnmom82
And I am not saying you are doing this, but dont let anyone convince you that Jesus is only in the Bible. The argument is not whether Jesus existed, it is whether He is the messiah.
A famous leader Israeli leader was asked before he died what would you ask Jesus? He said, "Thats easy. Is this the first time your here."
Under a different tone I would be happy and welcome such a discussion. But all bets are off when someone assumes that his/her point is based on knowledge and science and your opinions come from the back of a napkin. I may rethink my position.
2 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you

[Alejandros Mommy]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

Well they certainly don't refer to him as the 'messiah'....which is interesting considering that it was their Bible and their prophecies. Christians claim he was the messiah prophecied in the Bible yet the people who really should know...don't accept that he is.

Do you accept everything else that it says in the Qur'an?

I like I said I was told this by a jewish friend....I don't see the point in attacking what I stated I heard from a Jewish friend.

Do you always attack everything that someone says?

Besides thousands of years from now how will anyone prove that you or I exsisted if no one has written about us?

[pladecalvo]

[quote=kalhayd2]

The Koran(according to my World Religions class) considers Jesus the next greatest Prophet next to Muhammed. Jews believe he was a prophet, too. In fact, the vast majority of World Religions mention Jesus is some form or another.

Yet you would no doubt reject what other religions say about their gods but because you feel that they offer support for your belief in Jesus Christ, you accept what they say regarding him.

I don't think I care if everyone from the era didn't find the need to write about him- lots of stuf wasn't mentioned back then that VERY well exsist today.

Oh come on Kalhayd. We are talking about someone who is alleged to have raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with virtually nothing, came back to life after being dead for 3 days, performed miracles the like of which nobody had ever seen before....and you don't think it strange that nobody other than biased followers bothered to write anything about it!!

So does his absense in the text you provided make him nothing but a fairytale? Nope.

Not at all, but what it does tell me is that if he existed at all he was unlikely to be the sort of character that the Bible portrays.

Maybe YOU should have included where he is mentioned and overly recognized!

....and where would that be...outside of the Bible and other religious texts of course.

[MiaCamille]

[quote=pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by kalhayd2

Yet you would no doubt reject what other religions say about their gods but because you feel that they offer support for your belief in Jesus Christ, you accept what they say regarding him.

Oh come on Kalhayd. We are talking about someone who is alleged to have raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with virtually nothing, came back to life after being dead for 3 days, performed miracles the like of which nobody had ever seen before....and you don't think it strange that nobody other than biased followers bothered to write anything about it!!

Not at all, but what it does tell me is that if he existed at all he was unlikely to be the sort of character that the Bible portrays.

....and where would that be...outside of the Bible and other religious texts of course.

So what's your point exactly? you don't believe in him? If so then that's fine but hey let people believe in what they want to believe and get a life....

[Alejandros Mommy]

From a new members point of view it may seem that our Kalhayd may not accept others religions....but since I have know her for years I can say that she does have respect for different religions. Please do not assume if you do not know. Please also allow others to post their view. If this "debate" continues to be a bashing of our members and pretty one sided, as no one can say anything, then it is not a debate but simply a means for someone to attack others views. If this is the case I WILL close it up

I am allowing it to stay open hoping that you provide us with your proof that Jesus did not exist in history...we can then debate on that.